Joe talks to Dan about how he "accidentally" started Philly Music Lessons, his desire to never have a regular job, and how he grew his business slowly over the years. Amidst the pandemic, Joe has pivoted the school into the online world, and talks about the ups and downs of staying afloat over the past year. Dan and Joe also get into music they love (The Beatles, Phish and the Dead definitely come up), and the never ending quest to "stay even".